WAS JESUS CO-EQUAL OF GOD; SUBORDINATE TO GOD;
OR WAS JESUS GOD?
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Christianity cannot make its mind up. One moment Jesus is subordinate
to God; in the next Christian story he is co-equal to God (trinity), and
finally he is God and then God incarnate.
Christians claim because of the Holy Trinity (a 325 CE early
church invention), God became Jesus in the flesh ― god incarnate.
So this brings up some interesting points. So Christians, put on your thinking caps:
If Jesus were the “true” God ― the Invisible Man in the Sky ― why would he need to request from
himself legions of angels,
“Do you think I
cannot call on my Father and he will at once put at my disposal more than 12
legions of angels?” (Matthew 26:53 King James Version)
Apparently Matthew did not consider that
Jesus was God because Matthew clearly said it was the Father not Jesus who
granted the sons of Zebedee to sit at the right and left of Jesus in heaven as
he wrote:
“It is not mine to grant but
is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” (Matthew
THINK! If Jesus was God ― the Invisible Man in the Sky ― he could have anyone he wanted to
sit beside him in heaven.
If Jesus was God, why did he cry out:
“My Father, if it
is possible may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will but as you will”,
“My God, my God,
why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 26:39 & 27:46 KJV)
Jesus, knowing he was going to die, showed who was his superior. He prayed in the garden (not to himself):
“Father, if you
wish, remove this cup from me, not by my will, but yours.” (Luke 22:42 KJV)
Luke continues:
“Father, into your
hands I entrust my spirit.” (Luke 23:46 KJV)
Would God ― the Invisible
Man in the Sky ― need to beg and cry to himself to save himself from
death? Jesus offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and
tears to the one who was supposedly able to save him from death! Apparently Jesus
was not crying to himself! I wonder how Christians, who maintain Jesus was God ― the Invisible Man in the Sky ― and even God incarnate, explain
him crying to himself. Maybe it was just for dramatic effect in future
“Passion” plays and movies. THINK Christians, THINK!
When Jesus was near death on the cross, Mark wrote that Jesus
cried out:
“My God, my God,
why have you forsaken me.” (Mark 15:34 KJV)
Was Jesus co-equal to God then? Was Jesus God then? Was Jesus God
incarnate then?
Even John had trouble associating Jesus to being the one and only
God. John showed a Jesus that insist that the Father is the “only true God” ―
the Invisible Man in the Sky. The gospel
of John claims Jesus spoke:
“Father, the hour
is come; glorify your Son - as you have given him power over all flesh”
John continues:
“…know thee the
only true God and Jesus Christ whom
you have sent.” (John 17:1-3 KJV)
Time and time again, Jesus showed that he was separate from God;
having a God above him, a God whom he worshiped and a God whom he called “Father.”
Ergo, Jesus is subordinate to God and was neither God, nor God incarnate!
Jesus supposedly made statements such as:
“The Son cannot do
anything at his own pleasure, he can only do what he sees his Father doing.” (John 5:19 KJV)
Jesus states that he and God ― the Invisible Man in the Sky ― are two separate beings as he
said:
“I am one that bear
witness of myself, and the Father that sent me bears witness of me.” (John 8:18 KJV).
As the Son of God he
could not be God himself, for John says:
“No one has ever
seen God at anytime.” (John
The New Testament is very clear about the relationship of God ―
the Invisible Man in the Sky ― to
Jesus and Jesus could never be co-equal with God in power or strength. Why would John say Jesus told Mary that he
considered her Father as his Father and her God as his God?
“Touch me not, for
I am not yet ascended to my Father…I ascend unto my Father and your Father and
to my God and your God.” (John 20:17 KJV)
John sums it up when he wrote,
“I (Jesus) go unto
the Father, for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 KJV)
Mark did not believe that Jesus was the “true God” either. Mark's Jesus
said to the women,
“Why do you call me
good? No one is good except God alone.” (Mark
Throughout Mark’s gospel, Jesus tells everyone to keep quiet about
his miracles because he didn’t want people to know. Some say this is because
the authorities would stop him from “his mission.” If Jesus was God, no one and
nothing could have stopped God ― the Invisible
Man in the Sky ― from any mission. THINK Christians! Logically, there
would be no reason to hide that fact that Jesus was God. The New Testament is
very clear in saying that no one is as good as God, not even Jesus
himself. Matthew wrote when Jesus came
up out of the baptismal water:
“And
lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well
pleased.” (Matthew 3:17 KJV)
So far you have learned that the New Testament confirms that Jesus was NOT equal; was not even co-equal to
God.
Attempting, as far back as 325 CE, to explain these serious problems,
Christians then invented the concept of the “trinity.” If the Father, Son and
the Holy Ghost are fused into one, why then does not the New Testament say so
in no uncertain terms ― after all Christians say it is the word of God.
Even Jesus’ disciples and Paul did not understand this weird concept the church
invented 300 years after the Jesus story supposedly took place ― calling it
the “trinity.” Clearly Christianity was just a mythological religion, a
religion about a dead-man god.
Paul was never aware of any trinity when he insisted that the
Father is declared to be the one and only God ― Invisible Man in the Sky.
“And that is none
other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven
or in earth, but to us there is but one God, the
Father of whom are all things and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom
are all things and we by him.” (1 Corinthians 8:4-6 KJV)
Paul does not depict Jesus as co-equal with God, but instead says
that God ― the Invisible Man in the
Sky ― is of superior rank to Jesus,
“But I would have you know that the head of every man in Christ and the
head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3).
Paul puts a considerable strain on “trinitarianism” when he
clearly distinguishes between God and Jesus by saying,
“For there is one
God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5 KJV)
Paul did not indicate any change in the nature of God as he wrote:
“A mediator is not
a mediator of one, BUT GOD IS ONE.” (Galatians 3:20 KJV)
The disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and
men,” not as God himself, but two separate beings.
While Jesus is often called
the Son of God, nobody in the first century ever thought of him as being a
deity. Paul confirms this relationship as he wrote:
“Blessed be God,
even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of
all comfort.” (2Corinthians 1:3 KJV)
The idea of a trinity is not even present in the
“Blessed be the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 1:3 KJV)
The idea of a trinity is a man-made concept, just like all Abrahamic Derivative Religions (ADR). The trinity only came into being in the 4th Century, when the Constantine in 325 CE started talking about it as a way, a common bond, to unite vast Roman kingdoms (Eastern and Western). Since the concept of multiple gods had been prevalent for a thousand years, i.e. trinity(s), it was easy for emperor Theodosius I (February 27, 380 CE) to declare Christianity ― the Father, Son and Holy Ghost ― the only legitimate imperial religion.
However, the Eastern Orthodox Christians disagree with Roman
Catholics and other western Christians over the text of the
Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed because they claim that the “Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.” The Roman
Catholics maintain this is not true because the “Holy Spirit also proceeds from the son.” All, DELUSIONAL
IDIOTS!
So when was Jesus God? Jesus lived for 33 years. When was he God?
Some say when he preformed miracles. That is no documented proof, besides many
other people performed miracles. So, when was Jesus god ― Invisible Man in the Sky?
·
At birth?
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When the bird appeared at baptism?
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On the mount?
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In the garden?
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On the cross?
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Upon death? or perhaps
·
At ascension?
Where in the New Testament does the holy Christian god-given bible
clearly say when Jesus became God? No
other religion tells of their God dying. Please explain how a God can die?
Christians say this is not true.
“That whosoever
believes in him (Jesus) should not perish but have everlasting life” and
“He that believes
on him (Jesus) is not condemned but he that believes not is condemned already
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:16 & 18KJV)
Three hundred years after Jesus’ death, the early (Catholic) church
fathers made history by inventing/making Jesus the Holy Ghost and God the
Father all rolled into one man-god, calling them the “trinity.” Ever since that time ― when the scriptures
were hidden from all mankind ―the concept of Jesus being God has been
blindly accepted (in ignorance) by most in the Christian world.
To these Church Fathers, they did not care that Jesus never
claimed to be God; they simply declared he was and that was that. Therefore, Jesus
became God. Christians can believe whatever they wish, but for 20 centuries
they have been just blind and deaf sheeple; ignorantly falling in line with the
declarations of the catholic church.
If heaven is such a wonderful place and if God sent Jesus on a
mission, how much of a sacrifice could it be to die on a cross?
"All natural
institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me
no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and
monopolize power and profit." -Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
DISCLAIMER:
Citation of Hebrew scripture and
sources in articles or analyses is not in any way an acceptance, approval or
validation of the Jewish religion, its works or scriptures. The Hebrew bible, like the Christian New Testament, is
fictitious; From a 6-day creation
of the universe; a cunning, walking, talking snake; big fish tales; world flood
and an "Invisible Man in the Sky" ― it is all fiction, a bold sham perpetrated on mankind.
ENDNOTES:
The authors of the NT didn’t believe in
the trinity idea either, See:
Mark did not believe – 10:17-20 &
Matthew did not believe – 20:20-23 & 26:39 & 26:53
John did not believe – 10:30-34 &
Paul did not believe – 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 & 11:3 &
Colossians 1:15
1 Peter did not believe – 1:3
1 Timothy did not believe – 2:5
Hebrews did not believe –
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