SAVED?
Hugh
Fogelman and John Stone
Today the world is faced with a veritable army of
Christian missionaries ― running the gamut from Baptists, assorted
evangelicals and pentecostals/charismatics, Mormons
and more. The one common denominator is their threat that ALL must convert to
Christianity (especially their brand) to be “saved.” Think! For even one moment
do you really think that your Creator would create a world and not provide for
his Creations (us)? NO! But, that is just exactly what Christianity and these
missionaries are claiming!
In essence the Christian message is that God
screwed up when He created this earth and left his children hanging in limbo
for 3,7951 years until he
figured he had goofed and fixed it. Oh, so how did the creator of time,
gravity, the universe, endlessness et al fix His colossal goof up? Christianity
has you believe that their god figured out that the fix was to impregnate an
earthling and have a half-man/all-god child. Funny, this sound like a
half-dozen other pagan myths which preceded Christianity by 900 or more years
BCE. Hmmm, seems like Christianity is not original in its theology, but owes
its source to pagans of old. But I digress, back to the earthling-god.
Christianity’s
essence, its core, its whole is all about ONE THING and one thing only –
this earthling half-man/all-god child
who:
·
Crawled out from a
womb;
·
Cried for food;
·
Suckled teats;
·
Sprayed Mary &
Joseph with yellow "holy water;"
·
Crapped his pants;
·
Had to learn how to
walk and run;
·
Had to be taught to
read and write;
·
Grew up; and
·
Was killed ―
died!
That is
the essence of the Christian story as recorded in the Christian bible ―
all else is merely commentary!
And
somehow this is supposed to be our Creator’s fix for His colossal oversight
― letting humanity slip through the cracks for 3,795 years. What, was the
Christian god doing; playing Bridge or inventing football or something really
important – so much so that he just plain forgot and time slipped away?
Remember
Christianity claims that from day one on the earth there was a devil at war
with their god. AND this devil had POWER to punish people (oops make that
sinners) with hell fire and lakes of brimstone. So, were the “damnable” sinners
burning while the Christian god twiddled his thumbs or finished his Bridge
Rubber match?
The
Mormons claim these poor people were in some sort of super-size holding area
“waiting for the DEAD earthling man-god to make his sacrifice and save them.
Well with them Mormons it gets even more complicated; seems like these people
“on-hold” were really waiting until Mormonism had been invented and had trained
missionaries who could perform rites for the dead,; ergo saving them ONLY if
they wished to be saved. But this “saving”
meant that the holding-area dead people had to agree to become Mormons. It
gets even more strange 2,
but that will have to wait for future articles.
Mr.
Thomas Roper 3,
set forth an unanswerable question to Christianity.
I
have a question for those who believe that one must “accept Jesus” as messiah,
G-d, and the son of G-d, in order to “be saved.”
At what point in history did this become necessary?
·
Was
it at the time that Jesus was born?
·
Was
it when he began his ministry?
·
Was
it when he was crucified?
o
Was
it when, according to Christian teachings, he “arose from the dead?”
o
Was
it when, according to Christian teachings, he “ascended to heaven?”
WHEN??
If it was at one of those points, say for example when he was crucified, did a
person in
Remember,
the Mormons had an answer for “when.” It was:
·
After
Joe Smith became a prophet;
·
After
he had declared himself to hold the priesthood;
·
After
he had started the Mormon religion;
·
After
he had trained missionaries;
·
After
he had invented rites to be performed for the dead; and
·
After
he had built temples in which to perform them.
So, in
the case of Mormonism, those poor souls, in hellfire, had 1,835 more years of
waiting and burning than the “saving” offered by “the church.” And for this,
Mormons train over 65,000 missionaries each year to knock on your door and
“save” you!
Now
stop a moment and regroup. With all the “Jesus this” and “Jesus that” you have
throughout your life, you may have forgotten:
For thou art an holy people [
Let’s
continue:
But because the LORD loved you, and
because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, …Know
therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth
covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a
thousand generations; (Deuteronomy 7:8-9)
Friend,
these are the words of your Creator, of God!
Now you can see the difference between:
·
What
is real ―Torah and God; and
·
What
is fiction ― Christianity and the half-boy/half-god creature to die and
“save” only Christians.
The
Jews, “God’s Chosen People” made it for 5765 years in spit of:
·
400 years as slaves in
·
40 years of wandering in the desert;
·
The mighty Roman army who nailed Jews to ten
thousand crosses;
·
Slaughter by the Christian crusaders, the Spanish
Inquisition, Hitler's third Reich and Stalin's gulags;
·
Five Arab wars of annihilation, 100 years of Arab
terrorism, and 800 hate-filled UN resolutions.
Jews KNOW that G-d “saved” them.
Let’s go back to Torah ― the SOURCE DOCUMENT
― again:
And I will make of thee a great
nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a
blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth
thee: and in
thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (Genesis
12.2-3)
And to think that Gentiles still turn to Christian
preachers? Why? Why? Why? Simply because the Christian bible, their New
Testament (NT), tells them that “God’s Chosen People” ― the very people
by which “ALL the families of the earth will be blessed” ― killed the
fictitious Christian half-man/half-god.
The one word for the age-old baseless Christian hatred and murder of God’s
Chosen People is “deicide.” Look it up, remember it and let it make you sick to your stomach every
time you read a Christian bible and see such raw and baseless hatred such as:
[Jews] both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets,
and have
persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up
their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1 Thessalonians 2:15-16)
Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And
because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth
me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth
God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because
ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)
For over 2,000 years, Christians alone have killed
MILLIONS of Jews from the Crusades,
Inquisition, Pogroms, driving them out of their homes and
country EVERY 50 YEARS. The Jews had to
leave behind their lifetime accumulations, their wealth, the sweat of their brow
to the murderous, but “loving?” Christians. It is insane to believe that the Jews were not
“saved;” that God just reneged on his promises.
If Christianity was left to its own devices there
would be no Jews in this world – they WOULD ALL BE CHRISTIANS. That, my
friends, is not “saving” anyone, but is properly known as genocide. 4
But then, who would the Christians “save?” Do you
really think they would have the chutzpah to try to convert Islam, or the
Hindus, or all the Buddha’s in the world?
I can just see the TRUE Christian Armageddon. No,
it will not be what Christians believe ― material found in Revelation 16:16. It
will be a battle among Christian sects and cults as to who will be the one
which will convert the Jews.
Using demonstrated Christian logic, the various
Christian sects and cults would fight among themselves seeing as to who was the
“right” sect/cult for the Jews to convert to? Once the Jew is “saved,” then
would he become a Baptist or a Mormon, or perhaps one of the other 20, 000+
Christian denominations?
Will
the Mormons win out over the Baptists? Will the Jew convert to the winner of the
Catholics in
But wait, there is more:
The Roman Catholic Church says all the other
churches are in error ― heretics ― which are divided on doctrine;
are not led by true shepherds and are doomed to damnation! Will the Catholics
also be at war with those other churches of Christendom? Which side should the
Jew cheer for?
The Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Mormon and other
Protestant churches claim the Roman Catholic Church is:
·
Pagan;
·
Idolatrous;
·
Anti-scripture;
·
In error;
and
·
Of satanic
origin!
They refer to the Pope as the anti-Christ – the
whore of Babylonian. Will they once again have another bloody 100-year war?
Which cult will get the converted Jew?
The Baptists spend million of dollars each year
attempting to convert Jews, which means that the Jew would then become a
Baptist. That would be good, No? Why not? According to the Baptists, those “infant sprinklers” 5 they
have no remission of sins, and are “damned!” No Jew would want to convert to a
cult that is damned.
The Unitarians state that the trinity is a pagan concept
taken from idolatry and other Christian religions. And not to outdone, the
Trinitarians claim the Unitarians do not take the NT literally ergo, the
Unitarians are set to hell by the NT literal teachings they do not recognize.
Go figure! No Jew would dare take sides in this – two illogical groups getting
ready for battle.
The Seventh Day Adventists say those damned Sunday
consecrators changed the true Sabbath for the age-old pagan “day of the Sun.”
Thus, those Sunday churches are condemned! But the Sunday keeping Christendom
says the Adventists are all doomed because their church was founded by a false
prophetess (Ellen White). Christians may have a bloody war to finally establish
which day is their Sabbath, for they ignore God’s word. May I digress here? The
SOURCE DOCUMENT (Torah) says the Sabbath was established ONLY for the Children
of Israel. Gentiles need not apply!
Wherefore
the children of
The “Jehovah's Witness” (JW) claim that all other
churches and sects are apostates; demonic; agents of
The Pentecostals say other
churches are spiritually dead! Other churches say the “Pentecostals”
are possessed by false “spirits” and that its church members are under the
influence of mass hysteria! What is a newly going to be converted Jew to
believe?
Yes, I can just see the Christian Armageddon; a battle to the finish to, once and for all, establish the “true” Christian Church. What I see are Jews just sitting back on top of a hill, sipping Mogen David wine; eating kosher foods; their children running around (out of harms way, of course); playing cards or Mah Jong and listening to good Hebrew music. Sitting along side the Jews will be the Gentiles (Children of Noach/B’nei Noach) who follow their special guidance provided by God in Torah. The Children of Israel and the Noachides will smile knowingly while watching the Christian sects, in total ignorance of their Creator, battle for top billing as Jesus freaks.
Why
will the Jews be smiling? Because, they are God’s CHOSEN PEOPLE and know what
G-d told them. God gave His Torah to those He Chose and set aside for this
special mission. Torah exists today just as it was given over 3,315 years ago
― no translation is needed to know what God told the millions assembled
at the foot of Mount Sinai! Torah contains not only the rules of life for the
Jew, but also for the Gentile. The Gentiles were given the Seven Universal Laws
for Mankind; the sages and rabbis protect this word and teach it to all who
seek to know their Creator and His guidance (see NOACHIDE LAWS ).
Torah has given to the Jews 613 Laws to keep them
holy and set aside as a Chosen People (Deuteronomy 7:6); the Gentiles
were given the “Seven Laws for Mankind” also know as the “Seven Laws of Noach.”
There is no “Christian salvation” needed for mankind – not at all. God has told
Jew and Gentile alike what He expects of them:
“And you shall therefore keep my statutes and laws which, if a person does, you shall live by them.” (Leviticus 18:5,)
“If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of
the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and
his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy
soul. For this commandment which I command thee
this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest
say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear
it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say,
Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it,
and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy
heart, that thou mayest do it.”
“See, I have set before thee this
day life and good, and death and evil”
“In that I command thee this day
to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and
his statutes and his judgments” (Deuteronomy 30:10-16)
“And you shall therefore keep my statutes and laws which, if a
person does, you shall live by them.” (Leviticus 18:5,)
And for the Christians, the Gentiles, reading this and actually
“seeing” God’s words for the first time, permit me to summarize what your
Creator asks of you. No God does not want a religion, church, preacher or
minister, baptism, sacrament or other rites, nor a hymnal, nor a tithe to your
minister or church. What your Creator asks is beautifully summarized as
follows:
“He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD
require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with
thy God?” (Micah
6:8)
So now you know the Christian pagan myth and all
its ugliness! For without knowing “THE” true church, there supposedly will be
billions of people who have died have gone to hell ― fire and brimstone,
no heaven etc ― because they mistakenly believed the Baptist,
evangelicals, pentacostals, Mormons missionaries! Do you really think for one
moment that your Creator was so stupid to institute this crap as a way to
participate in the “World-to-Come?” I’ve got news for you!
By now, you should realize that the Christian theme, "being saved" through the blood of Christ and by believing in Jesus, or salvation from sin by belief in a man, no matter how holy the man (even if he were a messiah or a prophet) was and is an alien concept. It is not of God and therefore not found in the Torah, of which the NT claims to be a fulfillment.
The Jew and knowing Gentile/Noachide know in the
end, G-d told His prophet:
"In
those days it will happen that ten men, of all the different languages of the
nations, will take hold, they will take hold of the corner of the garment of a
Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is
with you" (Zechariah 8:23)
A recap! The question “are you saved?” is foreign
to God and His Torah. The weird Christian concept of sin, sacrifice and instant
salvation obtained by belief in a dead man-god on a cross is not to be found in
the Hebrew Scriptures.
In Torah,
God’s word; He leaves it entirely up to you. If you do good, you will get good
in return.
Footnotes:
1. God's
calendar has recorded 5765 years from Adam. According to the Christian bible
(NT), it was 1,970 years ago that Jesus died and supposedly arose to heaven.
Subtract the time since Jesus (1,970) from the time of man on earth (5,765) and
you derive the 3,795 years that − according to Christianity − God
left the inhabitants of this world without a means to join Him in the
"World-to-Come" aka being "saved."
2. Mormons claim that no one can
get to Christian heaven without the express approval of their founder and
self-proclaimed prophet ― Joe Smith. The again, Mormons have claimed that
they would missionize to the people on (get this) the moon (moon-men) and the
sun (sun-men). (Please write for details)
3. Mr. Roper is a former Southern
Baptist pastor who converted to Orthodox Judaism. He resides in
4. Genocide: the deliberate and systematic
destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group;
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
5. “Infant
sprinklers” include, Roman Catholic,
Episcopal, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian
and Methodist among others.
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